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    I keepm forgetting to register at the other site's forums, but I do read their articles regularly (usually on Apple News on my iPad). I've spent more of my tech forum time here. :-)

    Glad to help on AirDrop. It works surprisingly well.

    Same here on Mac/iOS Notes. It's been pretty basic until lately. Apple really kicked it up a notch in the last couple of OS upgrades. On the iPad Pro with Apple Pencil, it's great. I haven't tried Day One yet, but I've heard others like it. I'm considering writing up a thread on "Can you live without Microsoft Office for Mac" and tell more about the current workflow I'm using if that'd interest you. I'm not running LibreOffice at the moment, but I've tried it in the past. There's also a fork of OpenOffice that's more Mac-native (NeoOffice). I'm not using it either at the moment.

    I would recommend clean installing High Sierra then restore from a Time Machine backup. If you do that, you should get the benefit of a clean OS install, avoiding the HFS+ to APFS transition, plus be able to get all your data migrated over easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Parker
    I'm considering writing up a thread on "Can you live without Microsoft Office for Mac" and tell more about the current workflow I'm using if that'd interest you.
    There seem to be few macOS users here (not surprisingly ) so please don't spend the time just on my account. I have a lot more learning to do before I can transition completely from Windows so, in the meantime, I'll continue using Office 2010 in Windows (when I need to) whilst I gain familiarity with alternatives in MacOS and Linux Mint Cinnamon.

    Pages, iBooks Author and LibreOffice are low-priority for me by comparison with OS basics plus networking and filesharing between different platforms (plus I seem to be spending a lot of time learning to use Automator... great fun! ).
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    Sounds good. If I have some free time later on, I could write more, but I'll give it to you in a nutshell:

    Word Processing: Pages is great for making "well-designed" documents (like letters, etc., aka a MS Publisher replacement), and I've found it's suprisingly good at opening and exporting to Word documents. For academic word processing, I wouldn't use anything else than Nota Bene on PC or Mac. It's overall workflow is pure luxury for academics. For everyday word processing, Nisus Writer Pro is pretty solid (and defaults to RTF for saving documents. I've also written solid academic papers in it pre-Nota Bene). If you need a good Mac word processor that also syncs with iPad (not iPhone), Mellel is good (although has a learning curve). I've also added Scrivener to my workflow, and it's a dream to use when you get the hang of it. It's great for non-linear editing.

    Spreadsheets: Since my spreadsheet needs aren't complex, Numbers is working for me OK, and I can open and export to Excel quite nicely. If your needs are more, you may need Excel or LibreOffice or NeoOffice. If your needs are more basic, Numbers is pretty good. For financial stuff (like invoicing), I still use QuickBooks Online (which has a fun Mac app).

    Presentations: I've always preferred Keynote over PowerPoint, so it should be ideal. For those who need non-linear presentation tools, ProPresenter or Faithlife Proclaim are good.

    Outlook Replacement: Mac's come with Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Notes, and Reminders built-in. Outlook integrated everything into a single app versus splitting up the apps, but I've found Apple's built in apps fine for my needs. They do integrate directly with Microsoft Exchange servers (or Office 365 Hosted Exchange) out of the box. Mail, Contacts, and Calendars are pretty straightforward and work well for day to day productivity. I mainly use Notes for my to-do lists. I don't heavily use Reminders since I just store that content in Notes. If you need more oomph for notes, Evernote can run on a Mac, and there are other third party email and calendar clients which I've heard are good (although I've never needed them).

    In terms of file sharing between PC's and Macs, Macs are finally pivoting away from AFP (Apple's file sharing protocial) to SMB. This article will get you started: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204445.

    These might help too:
    https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/ma...twork-3647667/
    https://www.howtogeek.com/191116/how...-on-a-network/
    https://www.computerworld.com/articl...s-and-mac.html

    Automator will quickly become one of your favorite tools on a Mac. It's a tool I sorely missed over on Windows and could never fully replace it. So many Mac users ignore it, but once you learn it, you wonder how you lived without it. Some good introduction information is available here:
    https://support.apple.com/guide/automator/welcome/mac

    These are a couple good articles as well on Continuity and Apple Pay:
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204681
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204506
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Parker View Post
    "Can you live without Microsoft Office for Mac"
    Is this a private fanboi party, or can anyone join in?

    My answer to that is:

    1. It depends on what happens to your output documents. If it's for your own use, or casual use with outside parties, then anything which can produce your documents will suffice. Also, if your output for external is PDFs, anything should do.

    If your output is non-simple docs to Win Office people, there may be issues using anything other than Win Office. My biz uses Win Office, and we get in long text docs from all sources—different OSes, different WP software. None are reliable enough to take and clean 'as is'—I spent a couple of years dealing with the unpredictable & often untraceable artifacts and idiosyncrasies before deciding on a workflow I could rely on, which was to 'nuke' all incoming and rebuild them as new Win Office docs.

    2. It also depends on what features you need. There are quite a few differences once you get beyond casual usage.
    MS Office: Win v Mac & iOS
    LibreOffice - Microsoft Office
    Microsoft Office vs. OpenOffice
    List of office suites
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    I was thinking with the documents I would be preparing for work, I'd definitely need Office for Mac. So far, I've been able to avoid it and type my drafts in Scrivener, package up the content in Pages, then export to Word format (which they then PDF and export to the web. The only reason I don't send over final PDF's if they have to be approved by a manager who may want to tweak some of my wording). I was even able to open their letterhead template in Pages and use it comfortably, something I didn't think would work well without Word.

    I still may need Office for Mac one of these days, and LibreOffice/OpenOffice hasn't been a solid replacement for me just for personal taste, but I'm surprised I've been able to go this long without Office using the apps I mentioned. How long it'll last we'll see, but so far, so good, and I do seem less stressed not using Office. :-)
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    @Nathan - Many thanks for post #18. Some great links there which I'm trying to find time to follow-up on.

    Unfortunately I've hit an issue with the first of the links re: networking inasmuch that I used to be able to access my Win 7 and Win 10 devices but can no longer connect to the most important Win 10 one at present.

    I don't know whether it's since upgrading from Sierra to High Sierra but I'm assuming that's the case as I haven't allowed the Win 10 box to autoupdate since its forced upgrade to 1709.

    I now have a 2012 MacBook Pro running High Sierra instead of the previous 2009 MacBook. As a result I'm going to close this thread (as the thread title is no longer accurate) and create a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Corbett View Post
    I don't know whether it's since upgrading from Sierra to High Sierra but I'm assuming that's the case as I haven't allowed the Win 10 box to autoupdate since its forced upgrade to 1709.
    Possibility that a post-1709 WU fixed a mismatch with High Sierra? Worth a shot to update and see, you can always restore your 1709 image.
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    I don't have my Surface Book anymore (gave it to my corporate attorney when I closed out my IT company). I'd try updating to the latest build of Win 10 and see what happens. I can chime in more over on your new thread.

    By the way, I don't know if the 2012 MacBook Pro has Force Touch on the trackpad (I think that came later), but this is an article I read tonight on Force Touch trackpads I'll just give you for your records: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204352
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